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I had my reversal last Thursday and am doing pretty well. I was more than happy to part with the bag.

I understand that the big D is pretty much a given after the surgery, and I am no exception. I was curious as to how long this has lasted for others who have had a reversal?

I am well enough to do some things, but when the urge to go hits, I have like under a minute to find the bathroom. I really do not dare leave the house unless I do not eat much beforehand.

So far I have been lucky, but I can see the potential for an ugly blowout.

Thank you.

Dan
 
Am in exactly the same situation at present Dan, you've saved me from asking the question!

From what I've read, the D is dependent person to person. I've read stories from anything from 2 weeks to 2 years!
 
After my reversal, and all the resections, I have about a foot of my large colon left. So as soon as I eat, out it comes bascially. I've learned over the years to control it though, you will too.
 
It seems to be getting better. I had no super urgent runs to the can today. Far less frequent also

I still have a majority of my guts and they were in good shape
We will see how the rest of the week goes.

I certainly hope it is closer to two weeks than two years.

Thanks for the information and experiences.

Dan
 
I had my reversal last Thursday and am doing pretty well. I was more than happy to part with the bag.

I understand that the big D is pretty much a given after the surgery, and I am no exception. I was curious as to how long this has lasted for others who have had a reversal?

I am well enough to do some things, but when the urge to go hits, I have like under a minute to find the bathroom. I really do not dare leave the house unless I do not eat much beforehand.

So far I have been lucky, but I can see the potential for an ugly blowout.

Thank you.

Dan

Dan could you tell m e what to expect pre and post operativly...I know were all differnt , but I havnt spoken to anyone whos had a reversal . Ive had my stoma for 19mnths now , operation keeps getting put back as non urgent , but im seeing the surgeon today , hoping he will give me a date ..
Glad yours is benefitting you ...well done ..
Jan
 
I can tell you what I went through. It is not too exciting but if it helps, why not?

I went through the usual hospital prep. IV's for fluid and antibiotics they gave me prior to and after the surgery.

We waited as there were delays as there often is in an operating room. I was in the last room prior to the operating room and they gave me a shot of Propofol that was suppose to relax me. I asked if that was the same drug that Micheal Jackson over dosed on. It was the same one, but they were better at using it apparently. I was waiting to see what effect it had on me. I told my wife that it was not doing much of anything, and we talked for a bit and then I was out like a light.

I do not remember the rest, but my wife filled me in. They were about to wheel me into the operating room and they said now was the time to say goodbye. Being totally wonked out, I told her "Good Luck" as if she was having the surgery.
The CRNA said to my wife "we will keep you updated". I do not know if I was being a smart ass, or if I was so out of it I had no clue what I was saying, but I told the CRNA "they do not have to keep me updated, they can wait until after the surgery to tell me whats going on". Like I said, I don't remember any of it. My wife got a laugh out of it. Who knows what I would say if they kept me on that very long?

I woke up someplace, not sure where, and they asked me if I was in pain. I am still barely awake but I did tell them I was in a lot of pain. I always have been right after the surgery, and was this time also. I remember them asking me again later, and I told them to open up the spigot on the pain killer, it still hurt a lot. The whole thing is foggy but I remember that much.

After that, I kind of really woke up, and the pain was pretty well controlled by then. They had me on Dilaudid for pain which I have had before. It works well, but at the higher dosages I had before, it causes some weird delusions that I did not care for.

This time it just mananged the pain with no weird side effects. I actually felt fairly good after the surgery, but tired, so I slept a lot. The Dilaudid makes you tired also, so being tired is going to be part of the program.

I now had a catheder, oxygen, and the usual IV stuff attached to me. They also had a gadget that would make an annoying beep everytime my pulse would drop below 60. My pulse is never above 60 when I sleep, so the effect of this device was only to annoy me and my roommate when I tried to sleep.

The last time I was hooked up to this thing, I reprogrammed it so it would only beep if my pulse went below 46. It normally will not go below 48, even when I sleep. Maybe they remembered that and put it out of my reach. They did eventually change it so it would not beep so easily. I talked them into removing it shortly after. I also had them remove the oxygen, as my blood oxygen was just as good with or without it.

I was comfortable and was able to get up and walk a bit the same day as the surgery. I talked them into removing the catheder at 4:00 AM. I slept a lot.

I was up and walking around some more the next day. Pain was not bad and I could bump up the pain killer if it increased at all. I also had a bowel movement that day which was pretty darn fast.

I ate whatever they gave me which was liquid stuff at first, and then soft food. Not much appetite once hooked back up. Not sure why, but my appetite is still much less than with the bag. I think I just needed so much more to survive with the bag. Now I can get by on much less.

By the end of the third day I was unhooked from everything, so I wandered out of the hospital and across the street to have a smoke. You can't smoke on the property, so you have people dragging themselves across the road to smoke. The hospital doesn't like it, but I am not sure what they expected to happen with such rules.

The next morning I was released with a prescription for Lortab and I went home. Felt lousy the next day, and been getting better everyday since.

They did leave the ostomy hole that I have to pack with gauze every day. I guess it will heal eventually. I was kind of squeamish about shoving stuff into that hole, but once you do it a couple times, it is not bad.

That is about it. Nothing unusual happened and everything went by the book.

Dan
 
oh thanks for that D , wow you were out quickly, Im sure the surgeon said to me , he would sew the hole up ,, despite the fact that I saqw him yesterday I still dont have a date , but that was an interesting read , thanks again , goodluck to you, I hope you continue to improve .
 
Dan, thank you so much for your update. Are the bowel movements still improving everyday?
:thumright:
 
They are a little better but not normal by any measure.
I still have a box of cholestryamine if it does not come around on it's own.

Hardly need my pain medication anymore
Using less and less by the day.

Dan
 
Dan! I've been away from the forum too long. I didn't know you had surgery, let alone a reversal! Direct me to the post (if you made one) about your original surgery and why you had to have it.

I hope you are doing much better now and recovering well from the reversal. Your posts have always been an inspiration to me (you and my husband are kindred spirits, Spock-like both of you) and I have learned a lot from you re: vitamins and supplements during my time on the forum. I wish you nothing but good health.

Take care - Amy
 
Hello Amy,

I really did not post much about why I had to have the surgery. My best guess as to what brought it all on is a bout of Pneumonia that I treated a while back. I thought I had eliminated it but I had this very slight nagging cough with a small amount of thick mucous. I had this for months, but did not think much of it.

Later on I developed pain in my back. I could not hardly push the mower around the yard one day, and I knew something was wrong, but did not know what.

The pain grandually got worse, and spread to my abdomen. I went to see the nurse practitioner who works with my Gastro and she thought it was a Crohn's flare up. I told her that I have had Crohn's flares before and it seemed to me there is something else going on here. She gave me some Lialda and later Prednisone and the Prednisone seemed to help. The Lialda never really helped a lot, but maybe a little bit.

I felt a little better but gradually backslid until I was no longer able to work because of the intense pain. I had narcotics but they only did so much.

Finally I am getting extremely ill, and I am also self treating in an attempt to find out what the heck is slowly killing me. I read about a case of Mycoplasma Pneumonia that started in the lungs and progressed into the intestines that another doctor had posted on the internet. By this time my Pnuemonia was back into my lungs, full force, many months later.

Bells went off in my head and I used one of my experimental treatments to target the Mycoplasma Pneumonia bacteria specifically. I immediatly had a high fever and was so sick I thought I might not make it to the next day. I knew I had figured out part of the mystery.

I went to my local Physician assistant and told him I had reason to believe that Mycoplasma Pneumonia had invaded my intestinal tract and that was causing me problems. I also had to tell him why I thought this to be the case. Well, he says he only practices Western Medicine and can't really base a diagnosis off of my evidence.

Fair enough, but he said let me listen to your lungs. He did and he said they sounded terrible. He said you need something to clear that up. I agreed and said as long as you are going to give me an antibiotic, can you give me one that also targets Mycoplasma Pneumonia. Since the Pneumonia is likely caused by that pathogen anyway, he agreed to that.

A few days of Zithromax and I improved enough to go back to work for about four weeks. Still not 100% by any means but the pain was greatly reduced. I gradually got worse and worse. Off of work again.

I go back to another doctor as my nurse Physician Assistant is not available. I get another prescription for Zithromax given my quick recovery last time, but this time it does not have any effect.

I have more tests, CT scans and still nobody can figure this thing out. I tell my nurse practioner that I need to see a infectious disease doctor. I reinterated that this is more than Crohn's and I can't go much longer like this. I am down to 140 some lbs from my normal of 200 lbs.

She said she can't do this for some dumb reason and we leave. But at my request they do test me for a bladder infection, because now I am having weird stuff going on there also. It comes back negative. I go to my local clinic and see a doctor I have not seen before. I need to get answers quick. I really do feel like I do not have much time left and the pain is utterly unbearable. She does another bladder infection test and it comes back positive. I am put on a drug for that. It does not make me feel any better.

Then she reffered me to the internal medicine specialist. By now I have brown stuff coming out of my urine and air. My belly has a bulge the size of a softball and the pain is worse than anything I have ever felt in my life. And I have been around a while and had a bit of experience with pain of all sorts.

In five minutes he tells me, you have a fistula from your bowel to your bladder and possibly more. He says you also have a massive infection in your abdoman that needs treatment right away.

I am floored. I never have seem this guy before and he in no uncertain terms tells me this. He is not guessing, he is sure of this. I am a bit skeptical that in five minutes he has diagnosed this and no one else has even come close. But, it is obvious I have to do something, and he is an older doctor with some experience so I say OK, lets get going on this. I am going to die anyway, I am fairly well convinced of this by now, and almost wish I would with the unbearable pain and misery.

They put me under the CT scan and guide a sharp hollow pointed object into the infected area to drain it. I am awake and the pain from this is something I hope no one ever has to go through. Stuff start coming out immediatley and the pain is reduced quite a bit over the next couple of days.

I am also septic by this time, which to me means near death, although with treatment I have been told that most people will recover. Heavy duty antibiotics are going into me 24 hours a day. I get to feeling better than I have, but still losing weight fast.

I get transferred to the larger hospital where my gastro is located. Our small local hospital is not set up for my further treatment of this problem.

They say they can try to clear this up with strictly antibiotics, but it may not work, or surgery. I opt for the surgery, as I am not that darn lucky and I know this is more serious than maybe even they do.

There is only one surgeon that will do this operation due to the heavy infection. I did not know this until later, but that is how complicated this was. Otherwise I would have had to go to the Mayo Clinic.

Seven hours later he removed two fistulas, one infected the soaz mucle in my back and another had joined my bladder to my bowel.

I knew beforehand he was going to give me the bag. I did not like it, but it didn't matter as he cannot reconnect an inflammed bowel without the risk of a leak, and I quite honestly could not survive another infection.

I came out of the surgery OK, but my right arm was paralyzed. It had been in one position too long and this can happen on rare occasions. Like I said, I am not usually lucky. This made life tough as you all know your arms get a workout when the gut has stitches in it. I had one arm to work with. This gradually went away, but it took weeks to get back to normal.

I had to be on intervenous antibiotics for several weeks, both in the hospital and at home.

Ever since I have gradually been improving, and now enough to get rid of the bag.

I believe that the Fistulas were caused by the Mycoplasma Pnuemoonia infection, but I cannot know that with 100% certainty.

All I know for sure is my Crohn's was well under control using LDN and all of a sudden I was sick. So it is possible the LDN did not work also, but the suddeness of the whole thing makes me think it would have happened regardless, unless I would have completely eliminated the original Pnuemonia to begin with.

But, not knowing for certain, I am now going to be on Imuran for the time being. I don't like it, but it is not as revolting as the other biologics that are the other alternative.

That is the short version, and from the length of this post, you can see why I have not said a lot about it.

So how have you been doing lately?

Be well, and prosper. :)

Dan
 
Dan, all I have to say is that I am sure glad you are still with us!

Awful doesnt quite describe what you went through. So glad you are on the road to a full recovery!
 
Wow Dan that quite an ordeal you've been through! I'm so glad things are taking a turn for the better and sincerely hope they continue to do so. Please keep us posted on you're recovery.
 
WOW! That is some story. You had me on the edge of my seat. I was afraid you weren't going to make it, then I remembered that you were actually writing the story and I could at least breathe until I got to the end. Holy crap what you went through. I have a feeling that you have a pretty high pain tolerance so to say that you were in dire pain and thinking you were going to die, this is not dramatics.

I am always amazed at your ability to diagnose yourself and figure things out. How fortunate that you stumbled upon the doctor that was able to put it together and essentially save your life.

And on top of it all - one-armed and dealing with a bag. Phew. The fun never ends.

Glad you are on the recovery side of things. Hope the imuran keeps things at bay, but ultimately I do hope you can get back to just the LDN as I know it's been good for you over the years.

Thanks for sharing your story. Best of health to you.

xo - Amy

PS All's good here. Shitting into a bag myself and loving it. Life is better now than in many, many years. No complaints.
 
I am glad you are doing well Amy. You deserve some good times along with the rest who have suffered too long with this disease.

I have been pretty lucky as I did not have any symptoms of this disease until I was in my forties. Many years of good health in spite of my bad habits.

I really did not know if I was going to live or die, when I could not get an accurate diagnosis. The pain was something I am going to try to forget. I was not particularly afraid of dying, as it will happen sooner or later regardless. What bothered me about that possibility is I would be leaving my wife at a particularly bad time. It would have been an impossible burdon to her, and just me being ill was hard on her.

We run a business together, and it was also going through its worst time since we started it. I needed to be there to change course, and bring it back to profitablilty.
It was a perfect storm of bad luck from multiple angles.

But, now things are turning around for me and the business and better days are hopefully ahead.

Sometimes life will test you more than you think you can bear, and believe me I asked God for help, in tears, because I was at the end of my rope. I got that help and I am gratefull for it.

Shitting in a bag is not so bad if you feel good otherwise. I may end up back to that someday. Who knows?

Dan
 

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