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I have two/ three doctors who are brilliant about things and always take good care of me, one who treats me like a 3 year old, and another who panics when she sees me because I have a high heart rate and she forgets it's normal for me and I end up with a trip to hospital. The other doctors I don't really know as they have changed recently. Hopefully I can get in with one of the 3 good ones but phoning on the day is always pot luck, the only way to garuntee a certain doctor is to book in advance which takes 2-3 weeks. They were supposed to set me up with one specific doctor that I see every time but they never bothered.

Thankyou :)
 
I am very glad to know that you are doing well and your third infusion is over. I am sure the improvements would continue. The very best wishes.
 
Ronrush it doesnt work like that in the UK, you call the surgery and they have anything up to 10 doctors and will put you in with whoever is free, if you want a specific doctor you have to be willing to wait anything up to a month.

I've been to the doctors, luckily it was one that knew my history, they are treating me for a sinus infection but have told me if I get any worse I have to go back. They also picked up that my heart rate was high, which isnt really that unusual for me but its something that concerned her as its happening so often. She said it may just be because I'm poorly at the moment but she wants me to go back when I'm 'well' (or normal for me) and she'll take my heart rate etc again. If its still high then she wants to refer me to a cardiologist as she says its not good for me to have a constantly high heart rate, she likened it to being like on a treadmill all day. She said she would like them to rule out any underlying problems and then possibly put me on a medication to just bring it under control.
 
I saw my gp today for my follow up. My heart rate was elevated again so she's referring me to a cardiologist, not sure how long that will take but probably a few months. I have to have an ecg tomorrow as well.
 
I am finally off steroids! I took the last one on Wednesday, so first missed dose was Friday. I'm so happy to be finally off them! It's taken me over a year to get to this point!

I wish I could say my body is just as happy, but as is usually the case it isn't on the same page as me. I was up at silly o'clock on Friday night with vomiting and have had intermittent nausea and pain ever since. I am hoping this is a coincidence and not a sign that I need to go back on steroids. I'm struggling to eat very much and I'm exhausted.

I am due another inflectra next Wednesday and so far that seems to be going well. I'm over due a follow up appointment now though, I should have been seen nearly two weeks ago so ill give it a few more days and then give them a call to see what's going on. It really frustrates me when the booking office don't stick to the designated follow up period and push me back. They are in no way qualified to know how urgently someone needs to be seen so it baffles me that they think they can ignore the consultants instructions. If I don't get any joy when I call them ill email my ibd nurse. I don't want to let it slide and end up detriorating further.
 
I am finally off steroids! I took the last one on Wednesday, so first missed dose was Friday. I'm so happy to be finally off them! It's taken me over a year to get to this point!

I wish I could say my body is just as happy, but as is usually the case it isn't on the same page as me. I was up at silly o'clock on Friday night with vomiting and have had intermittent nausea and pain ever since. I am hoping this is a coincidence and not a sign that I need to go back on steroids. I'm struggling to eat very much and I'm exhausted.

I am due another inflectra next Wednesday and so far that seems to be going well. I'm over due a follow up appointment now though, I should have been seen nearly two weeks ago so ill give it a few more days and then give them a call to see what's going on. It really frustrates me when the booking office don't stick to the designated follow up period and push me back. They are in no way qualified to know how urgently someone needs to be seen so it baffles me that they think they can ignore the consultants instructions. If I don't get any joy when I call them ill email my ibd nurse. I don't want to let it slide and end up detriorating further.
Hope you feel better soon.
 
Hello, I called the office on Thursday, they told me the next available appointment is in June! Which would make me 3 months over due.

I have emailed my ibd nurse and told her about my symptoms and enquiring as to whether she can see me sooner, but she has no say over how appointments are allocated . She did say though that sometimes iv biologics can slow the gut down and cause obstruction type symptoms so that may be what's going on. I have an infusion on Wednesday so she's going to pop in and have a chat with me then.
 
Hello, I called the office on Thursday, they told me the next available appointment is in June! Which would make me 3 months over due.

I have emailed my ibd nurse and told her about my symptoms and enquiring as to whether she can see me sooner, but she has no say over how appointments are allocated . She did say though that sometimes iv biologics can slow the gut down and cause obstruction type symptoms so that may be what's going on. I have an infusion on Wednesday so she's going to pop in and have a chat with me then.
Hoping the best for you.
 
My ibd nurse couldn't come to see me as she was stuck in a meeting this morning. So the infusion nurse took some bloods and asked me to email the ibd nurse and let her know. I've just emailed her now, she will probably get back to me sometime tomorrow now as she should have finished her shift by now. Hopefully she'll have some answers or recommendations. . Other wise I won't see anyone until my next infusion on June 2nd
 
I received a reply this morning, most of my bloods look alright but my Hb is low so I need to try and eat some iron rich foods. I'm looking into some over the counter supplements as I can't tolerate much fruit and veg and I don't get on with prescription strength iron supplements so that's not an option. I'm not aneamic enough for the hospital lab to allow an Iron infusion, but if things keep droping that'll probably be the way we go.
 
I've had quite an improvement since my last infusion, so maybe the rough patch was the inflectra starting to wear off, I've heard its quite common for people to have a surge in symptoms in the last week or so before their infusion is due. I've had a reduction in pain and been eating better. I'm still steroid free which is the longest I've been off them in 2 years.

Things aren't perfect, the past couple of days I've had some nasty pain again, but I'm due my infusion next week so I'm not too concerned. I'll keep an eye on things and see if the pattern continues and then inform my team if it does as I know they can bring the infusions to every 6 weeks if needed.

I haven't recieved my follow up appointment yet, I was told that the first available would be the start of june, but I don't know how far up the waiting list I am. I should have been seen in March so hopefully it wont be too much longer. My main issue at the moment is a lack of energy, everything is so much effort these days so I'm hoping they'll be able to sort the aneamia out in some way.

I haven't heard anything from cardiology yet either, I knew it would be a long wait but usually when I'm referred to a new department I get a letter from them saying they've received my details and placed me on the waiting list with an estimate of when I can expect an appointment and what to do if things become urgent, but I've not even had that yet.

I'm also over due to see the dietitian. They called me about a month ago wanting to make an appointment but it was in a community center that's way out of my area and would be a nightmare to get to (they don't think about people who can't drive). They tried to tell me that she doesn't see patients in the hospital in the city center (which is still a 40 min bus ride) but I know that's rubbish because I've seen her there on multiple occasions including during inpatient stays. I called them out on it and they said they would get back to me, so they called me a week later and said I could be seen in the closer hospital, but they would have to call me another time to make an appointment but they've not contacted me since and I refuse to chase them because frankly the dietitians office has always been a bit of a shambles. I don't even find dietetics appointments helpful, but I can't refuse to go as its a requirement that people with Coeliac disease have regular contact with a dietitian.

Last but not least, I've had good progress with orthodontics, I've recently had xrays and molds/impressions taken to see if I'm ready for surgeons. I'm going back on the 7th June for a regular appointment but I've also recieved a letter for an appointment in July which I think may be with the surgeons, which would mean they think I'm at the right point for surgery. They have said though that they need to wait for the cardiologist to see me and clear things before they'll go ahead, but the orthodontist think's there'll be plenty of time as it may be November or later before I'm at the top of the surgical list.

So, in essence, I'm currently doing a lot of waiting around on lists.
 
Oh and Im getting my implant fitted on Friday, a little nervous but I know that compared to what crohns puts me through it'll be a walk in the park. Here's to the end of a week in bed every month (hopefully)!
 
Thankyou both :).

Just a little up date, my implant fitting went well, my arm is sore now but hopefully will be worth it when it settles down. The better bit is that just before dinner I got a phone call from the booking center for the cardiology department and they've booked me an appointment for the 12th June. It's much faster than I expected and great news as the sooner we get to the bottom of what's going on with my heart the easier it will make my other treatment.
 
I had my infusion today. It was a disaster. First of all it took over half an hour to cannulate me and then i had a big allergic reaction and it had to be stopped. They said it was too big a reaction to chance putting it back on and they personally wouldn't want me to have it again but the ultimate decision goes to my consultant. They have enquired about switching me over to humira instead but again thats down to my ibd team.. So its a case of waiting to be contacted to find out whats happening.
 
Hello everyone,

Still feeling pants currently, my joints are hating me and I'm getting strong pains in my stomach, I'm making sure I've got plenty of my pain meds and actually taking them for once, I refuse to spend another summer in and out of hospital!

I have received a gastro appointment, its been made for the 6th of July which is quite a wait but it's with my consultant (who has a waiting list of up to a year) instead of the IBD nurse. I'm hoping this means I'll leave the consultation with a concrete plan in place but I know they'll probably want to do bloods first and possibly a few other things.

I'm also meant to be phoning to book an appointment with the dietitian at some point, which I'll try and make myself do later. I really don't find those appointments any use and my dietitian isn't good at listening to me when I tell her something isn't working for me.

In other news I saw my orthodontist yesterday and they think I'm ready to be put forward for surgery in terms of how the braces are working, so my next appointment will be a combined clinic with both her and the surgeon. By this time I need to compile a list of all the people involved in my care and their contact details so that they can write to them and let them know what they are planning to do and see if it's safe with all the other considerations. It will be about 6 months before I'm at the top of the list anyway but there is a problem with unpredictability and the potential to be put on steroids at any time. The plan may change a few times and there is still the possibility that they decide its just not safe and cancel but for now we're going to carry on as if it is happening.
 
WOW!!!! Sounds like it's coming all at once!!! :ywow: Sorry to hear you're still in pain. But, at least it looks like the ball is rolling forward for everything else! :hug:
 
Yea its a bit of a steam roller! Cardiologist next week too. Funny enough my dad said the exact same thing. This seems to happen a lot though, I spend months waiting then all my appointments happen at once .
 
I had my cardiology appointment yesterday, they did an ECG and said my heart rhythm is normal but the rate is high which is what we were expecting. The plan had been to put me on a 24hr heart monitor to see what my heart does but he decided that wasn't needed as my heart rate had been documented as high on several separate occasions and was high again yesterday. He said for some people its nerves but he doesn't think that's the case with me as I've seen so many doctors and been to the hospital so many times that its old news. My heart rate was 120 when he checked it manually and he said I appeared very calm.

So, we know its high but we don't know why, so he took a blood test and I have to do a 24 hour urine collection (fun) to check my cortisol levels and see what my adrenaline levels are like through the day and he wants me to have an echo (ultrasound of the heart) to check there aren't any structural problems. If the tests all come back ok then he think's its safe to say that a high heart rate is just what's normal for me and not something that we need to be concerned about. Some people do have medication for it but it seems like thats down to personal choice as he said it's probably medicating them for life for something that's actually normal for them so I may prefer not to go down that route. All in all a good appointment, just a case of waiting for this echo appointment to come through which hopefully won't be too long.
 
Hey guys,

Having a rough few weeks, my stomachs definitely noticing the absence of inflectra and is giving me hell for it. I'm taking morphine a lot more regularly than I had done for a good 3-4 months and honestly feel like the 6 July can't come quick enough. Mum keeps asking about going to the doctors but I know if i go to the GP they'll just send me into hospital and I'll end up with a consultant who doesn't know me who will at best stick me on steroids or at worst put me nil by mouth for a week, do no useful tests and then send me home.

My joints have been awful since stopping too. I can't tell if the reaction has triggered the fibro or if its all related to the crohns and now that's going crazy everything else is joining in.

I'm also getting lots of headaches, but thats partly due to our neighbours insisting on hammering for hours on end at random times, which has been going on for months with no indication of when it will stop.
 
I have IST (inappropriate sinus tachycardia) my resting heart rate use to be high like yours well even higher at times. It was most aggravating during physical activity when it would just take off. Yet deconditioning from lack of physical activity made mine even worse. I've got mine under control now with just a pinch of beta blocker although for many bbs don't work for their IST. Ivabradine is another med that has helped with IST and it doesn't lower BP like bbs can do.

I agree that some can live with it. I did for years but then it got to the point it was affecting my QOL and I had a couple episodes where my rate would take off and not come down. That's when I when through the diagnostic process and was given my dx.

I hope your pain improves and you are able to wait it out for your GI consultant appt. So sorry that you are struggling GI wise right now!
 
I remember you telling me about that, Clash.. at the moment I don't feel my heart rate is affecting my QOL, to be honest most of the time I'm not aware of it, but there have been a few times during appointments and hospital stays that nurses and/or doctors have gotten pretty worried about me because it's been consistently high over the course of a few hours or a day. At the moment, these checks are more for the doctors peace of mind than for me I think, especially with surgery due in the next 6 months or so. I think if I decided not to go on medication now I would have the option of changing my mind in future if it became a bigger issue. I'm still waiting to be contacted about the echo, haven't heard anything about the results of the other tests yet so assume there wasn't anything too alarming.

Thankyou, I wouldn't mind if I could get admitted and see my GI and get sorted but they do it on a rota so its pot luck who you get and some of them are awful. One even told me I've never had Crohn's even though I'd already had surgery etc. Thankfully the surgeon's registrar was about and came and rescued me or I'd of gotten a lot worse that time but I might not get so lucky next time.
 
Im not doing good right now. I went to see my GP the other day because my joints are terrible and her only suggestion was to take slow release morphine every day for the next few weeks and see if things settle. She wasnt sure if its fibro or Crohns related so said it was too tricky to know what else to do. This fine as long as I dont need to leave the house for any reason as it makes me feel extremely drowsy and even lightheaded at times with no warning.

My stomach pain is getting increasingly worse and my mum is nagging me to go back to the doctors or call/email my ibd nurse but I see my consultant a week tomorrow (6th July) so Im not sure there's a point. The doctors will just send me to the hospital and I dont really know what the ibd nurse can do in that time.. I do have some budesonide left over that I could start taking if she said it was ok but other than that she would have to send a script for any other medication which would likely take until the start of next week to get here anyway. I dont really know what my mums expecting my nurse to be able to do in the time between now and my appointment, but she's being very insistent. I know she means well but most of the time she doesn't even know what my medication is called. I have tried to explain that my nurse wont have time to get a script to me and may not even see the email until Friday but its not getting me anywhere. Apologies if Im babbling or not making sense Ive had a lot of morphine today.
 
Can't they call the script into your chemist ( pharmacy )?
What happens when you need to start a med the same day ?
I understand wanting to wait for your Gi but won't they just send you to the hospital anyways and then your stuck with whoever is covering .
Btdt x4 this year for ds and it was my least favorite thing to do .
Are they getting your humira covered or at least starting you on steriods until they get humira out to you ???
Have you tried volteran gel for the joints ?
Won't help a lot if your not getting others crohnd/arthritis meds but ....
Might help a little
 
Unfortunately they've attempted to do that before when there was an error with one of my meds and the pharmacy said they need written proof of the prescription (they were being a bit of a jobsworth I think, I've heard of plenty of other people doing it). My local pharmacy may allow it as they know me well but they are usually poorly stocked as it's really small so it would then be a 2-3 day minimum wait for them to order it. If I needed a med the same day it would likely be a case of me travelling to the hospital to collect it, or them sending me an email with the name and then me taking it to my doctors and asking them to issue it. Usually though my IBD team wont issue a script without seeing me, unless its something I've taken before like steroids, if they think there's a chance of me needing something else then they either give me a script and tell me not to collect it until they contact me, or they will make me a clinic appointment for the next week.

My GP usually sends me to hospital because they don't know what else to do, they have been told many times by myself and the ibd team just to do a check up and then either do symptom management or steroids if appropriate but 9 times out of 10 they will send me to the hospital "just in case". The hospital then decides they will keep me to monitor, and sticks me on fluids, and then after a few days I usually get sent home because the pain is slightly better (they usually have me on IV meds and nil by mouth, so my guts getting a rest so of course it feels better) and usually no one has bothered to contact my GI or IBD nurse so they don't even know I'm there.

If my GI admits me it will be under his care, its only if you go through A&E or your GP sends you that you end up with whoever is on duty, if your consultant chooses to admit you then they care for you themselves. To be honest, I don't think I need to be in hospital, I just need to start a treatment of some sort. Other than Iv steroids there isnt anything I can't do myself at home, I'm drinking well, I'm still eating relatively well, I've got pain relief (Im not good at taking it which is half my problem if I'm honest because the pain gets overwhelming before I take my pain meds) and my joints are much better off on my memory foam mattress, plus the hospital really struggles to feed me, they can't handle low fiber and gluten free at once.

I'm not totally sure I'm getting Humira yet, the nurses at the infusion center thought it was my best option but my GI gets the final say so I won't find out for sure until I see him next week. I also don't know if theres a plan regarding steroids, this will be the first time I've seen my gi since January (I was meant to have an appointment in March but the booking office stuck its nose in and changed it). I haven't spoken to any of my actual team since before the reaction, so it's anyone's guess what they are thinking. Knowing what he has been like in the past though, I think he will want me on steroids, and if it is Humira I'm getting I can bet you he'll get the delivery company to speed it up.

I think volterol would be a life saver for my joints but I've been told I'm not allowed to use it unfortunately, I have asthma and apparently the creams can be worse than the tablets because of the fumes being breathed in. It's something I've asked about myself so not a bad suggestion at all. I am, however, allowed the massage creams so sometimes I just use those, they aren't medicated but sometimes the action of massaging the joint helps a little.
 
Really Ds has had asthma since age two and has used volteran gel twice daily for a year
No issues .
Our scripts come from the doctors office electronically to the pharmacy so it's offically just no need to wait /sometimes the doctored office calls it in or faxes it .
Inpatient even if his Gi admits is potluck and we had the same as you Iv /nil by mouth and he gets better - go home please - rinse repeat

We have th same problem with the Ped office - if it's anything other than an er infection
They send us to the ER "just in case"
Only his actual Ped knows not to do that

Can you get modulen until you see the Gi to at least help with the inflammation some ?
Won't help the joints but maybe the gut
Can your gp order pt ?
That can help your joints until whatever kicks in
 
Hm that's strange, it's odd how we're all told so many different things isn't it. Maybe I could get some and just try a small amount in a well vented room and see what happens, my asthma is well under control so I can't really see what harm trying a little can do. It's easily available here so I can pick some up the next time i'm in town. If it does set anything off I'll just pass it on to my mum for her knees (she has arthritis but won't go to the doctors to get her meds sorted).
I wish ours would do that, even the repeats are printed off and taken to the pharmacies by hand by the receptionists (or you if you want to go somewhere other than the closest one). It would make life a lot easier, but then I guess having the paper script means we can try somewhere else if the first place doesn't have what we need.

It surprises me that you end up with someone random even if admitted by your own doc. Here we would be told we need to go in, then allowed home to collect some Pjs and wash things etc, and then they would call us when they have a bed ready, so there's no waiting around at the hospital.

My GP wont prescribe modulen or any of the supplement drinks without the say so of the dietitian, but I do have some left over from when I did the liquid diet last year. I don't think it's enough to do total EEN but may be enough for 50/50 until wednesday at least. I'd call my dietitian and ask her to contact the GP about it but last year I practically had to beg her to allow me to have it.. she was convinced I wouldn't be able to stick to it for some reason.

By Pt do you mean Physio therapy? If so, I have been wanting that for years. I had it as a teenager I had some on my shoulders and it made a big difference, unfortunately I was under a different doctors practice then and they were a lot more willing to get it. I have seen a few different doctors from my current GP office and they are very med happy. The closest to physio therapy they suggest is "graded exercise" but they haven't explained what they mean by that, and to go walking somewhere flat, which is a great suggestion apart from the fact that I live half way up a mountain. There used to be a way you could self-refer to physio but I'm not sure if that is still available or if you have to pay for it, perhaps its something I should look into. I love the NHS but it's very cost-driven at the moment and physio is obviously expensive with fairly long waiting lists which look bad so they don't want to add to those either. The one doctor that I think would give me physio easily seems to be off at the moment, and no one seems to know when she'll be back.
 
Big day tomorrow.. Im seeing my consultant to discuss what happens next. Im hoping it will be straight forward and there won't be any problems or red tape in my way. I won't lie Im a little nervous but I know Im in good hands and he will do what he thinks is best for me. Just hoping he agrees with the nurses on what that is. I will update here when Im home and let you know what's happening.
 
Hi guys... I had my appointment today. It wasnt what I was expecting. My consultant doesnt want me on humira. He thinks there is too much risk of me reacting to that because of the similarities with the inflectra.

Soo.. Instead, we do a fecal calprotectin and bloods, and he'll discuss my case in the mdt meeting and I'll see him in a month. He doesnt want me to go back on steroids because of the risks and my age etc.. So for now its sit tight and wait. If the tests show I still have inflammation then it will most likely be going onto entivyo. I dont know how to feel about that as Ive not heard many good stories about it when it comes to crohns, but it has to be better than nothing. I have 2 main concerns ,1 - what do they do about cannula access, as they have struggled a lot before and the nurses even said they didnt want me on an IV med 2) what happens if entivyo doesnt achieve the results needed (most of the people Ive known on it have found its failed or not quite achieved remission) . my consultant made it very clear he doesnt want me on any form of anti tnf.
 
I know plenty of parents on the parents forum have kids who have reacted to Remicade but have been fine on Humira. I have never heard that before and my girls have been on anti-TNFs for 8 years or so.

I'll tag Clash and my little penguin - both their kids reacted but have not reacted to Humira.

Is it possible for you to get a second opinion?
 
My son did react to remicade. His was due to antibody formation. He was switched to humira and has not reacted to it. It's been over a year.

I've read an article or two that have stated there is a higher reaction rate to inflectra than to remicade. It was something to do with it being a biosimilar. Before that it seems that in some countries it wasn't going to be allowed in pediatric patients. Maybe Canada was one of the countries.

It's fairly common for people to be tried on humira if they react to remicade. One reason being the use of the mouse protein in remicade that isn't present in humira. Before I gave up on trying humira I would have the GI do a bit of research and talk with colleagues at other IBD centers.

Good luck
 
Ive heard that too so I was surprised especially as Ive been told by him it can happen in the past, but I think it was the speed and severity of the reaction that has caused him to be so reluctant. It may be that during the mdt meeting they suggest him giving humira a try for me but he seemed genuinely concerned when I described how I felt during the reaction. As soon as I explained he said he would be very uncomfortable letting me have it again now. He seemed particularly concerned by the high heart rate (Im under investigation to see if I have a heart condition,so maybe there's a concern about strain on my heart?). Or, maybe there are more similarities between inflectra and humira than there are between the original infliximab and humira?

I have the right to ask for a second opinion yes but id probably end up with it being my old consultant who wouldn't even put me on pentasa in the past.

I think I may let things settle in, do some reading up, get my head around it and then in a few days or a week or so email my ibd nurse with some questions or something. Right now its all a bit of a shock and so Im not being completely logical about it . He said he would be in touch when he has my test results, so I might get a call off him or the nurse in a week or two anyway. Once we have those there should be a clearer indication of if they put me on it or not . Ive no idea what happens if the tests are clear though.
 
My son did react to remicade. His was due to antibody formation. He was switched to humira and has not reacted to it. It's been over a year.

I've read an article or two that have stated there is a higher reaction rate to inflectra than to remicade. It was something to do with it being a biosimilar. Before that it seems that in some countries it wasn't going to be allowed in pediatric patients. Maybe Canada was one of the countries.

It's fairly common for people to be tried on humira if they react to remicade. One reason being the use of the mouse protein in remicade that isn't present in humira. Before I gave up on trying humira I would have the GI do a bit of research and talk with colleagues at other IBD centers.

Good luck

My GI is going to talk about me in a multi disciplinary meeting so he will be consulting other doctors and nurses in the field plus surgeons, so that is happening.

My nurses told me inflectra seems to cause a reaction at the 6th infusion mark and I was on my 5th so not far out and I have heard of quite a few reactions.

To be honest he seemed taken aback by how bad my reaction had been, so maybe it was a bit of a knee jerk reaction. But he is known for being quite cautious. I just hate being back on a waiting game not knowing what's happening again.
 
Ds reacted to remicade even on iv steriods
He has reacted with anaphylaxis in the past to food and has had multiple reactions to many different drugs( all contrast dyes /galulidium /glycogen ) /bee /cold etc so extremely reactive to everything
He has been on humira for 4 plus years with only minor hives at the injection site when we used the back of his arms (same area as his allergy shots so they think that was the issue )

They can skin prick test you to humira
We did this with Ds
You place a small amount of humira on the skin similar to a scratch test
Use a histamine and saline scratch as a control
Then they can tell if your allergic to the drug

Waiting and hoping your already bad inflammation won't get worse without any brakes on ( aka steriods ) sounds like you could go into a full out flare or worse
Especially waiting for at least a month since you were suppose to see your consultant on MARCH and it's now July
Not convinced that a month truly will be only a month
What are they going to give you to stop the progression of the disease while they wait /discuss ?
Un treated or under treated crohns can be deadly quickly so I am very concerned especially since you stated that your mom wanted you at the A&E prior to this visit it was so bad

I understand the concern with reactions Ds has an epi pen on him at all times
They could test and administer the humira it in the hospital


Fwiw Ds had no antibodies to remicade and still reacted
But is fine with humira
 
I didn't think stelera was anti tnf I thought it was diffferent
I know simponi is anti tnf
Tagging maya142
 
Stelara is not an anti-TNF, it's an IL 23 and IL 12 inhibitor. I think she was just saying that it's not available in the UK. I do think it's available for Psoriasis but it would have to be prescribed off-label for Crohn's because it's not approved yet.

I also think you should pursue Humira. We have met many kids who have had reactions to Remicade but have done great on Humira. I actually asked a researcher who said if my daughter reacted or even had antibodies to Remicade, then using a biosimilar like Inflectra was not an option, but using a different anti-TNF was not a problem at all.

The only issue with Entyvio is that it seems to take much longer to work and Humira has a much better track record. It would be a shame to just rule it out and ALL the other anti-TNFs completely (Cimzia, Simponi). As you know, there are very few drug options for Crohn's and you have already tried 6MP, so to limit them further could be very problematic.

Good luck!! I hope your doctor is able to come up with a solution.
 
My GI doesn't want me on any of those. Prednisone, Remicade or Humira. He told me when I first saw him in 2013 he wanted me far away from those. Those are the last option to use. And, because my former GI gave me the Pred like candy every time I had a flare maybe partly why I'm using metformin now. :cry:

There's no way I'm putting down anyone who is on these and have found it working for them. I just know, what I've been told for me. I hope everyone can find something that will help with this challenge of ours... :ghug:
 
They can skin prick test you to humira
We did this with Ds
You place a small amount of humira on the skin similar to a scratch test
Use a histamine and saline scratch as a control
Then they can tell if your allergic to the drug

This sounds like something I could bring up, but whether they would be willing to use a dose for this I'm unsure, it's worth asking though.

Waiting and hoping your already bad inflammation won't get worse without any brakes on ( aka steriods ) sounds like you could go into a full out flare or worse
Especially waiting for at least a month since you were suppose to see your consultant on MARCH and it's now July
Not convinced that a month truly will be only a month

I've already taken care of this, if its under 6 weeks, you can make an appointment with the out patient's reception, so that's what I did. I have an appointment firmly booked for the 3rd of August, and had a text this morning to confirm the booking. There was no way I was leaving that in the hands of the booking office again. I share your concern regarding the wait and hope approach. He has said he will contact me once he has the test results, so maybe they will trigger him putting me on something. I know in the past I've had test results messed up by being on steroids, but he could have given me a script with the instruction not to use them until I've done the sample.

What are they going to give you to stop the progression of the disease while they wait /discuss ?
Un treated or under treated crohns can be deadly quickly so I am very concerned especially since you stated that your mom wanted you at the A&E prior to this visit it was so bad

I am on pentasa, but thats it. I have been on it for 2 years, am on full dose, and feel its been about as useful as a box of frogs. I know that some people are being taken off this because their doctors don't think it actually does anything for Crohns so therefore not worth the risks. If I absolutely have to go on steroids it would be budesonide I expect, which of course is slower acting, so takes longer to control the flare. I would have thought it wise to start it as soon as possible knowing how long it can take to work,but seems not. My last bone scan showed bone deterioration so i'm getting closer to osteoporosis, my IBD nurse didn't seem to worried, but I guess it's concerned my GI more.

I understand the concern with reactions Ds has an epi pen on him at all times
They could test and administer the humira it in the hospital

I understand his concern, and know that he just wants to keep me safe, I could see he was genuinely not comfortable with the idea of humira, but I would like to ask him what makes me different to the others who have tried it and been fine.

Fwiw Ds had no antibodies to remicade and still reacted
But is fine with humira
 
Stelara is not an anti-TNF, it's an IL 23 and IL 12 inhibitor. I think she was just saying that it's not available in the UK. I do think it's available for Psoriasis but it would have to be prescribed off-label for Crohn's because it's not approved yet.

Yes, sorry, bad wording it was late here. Sterlera isn't yet used for Crohn's in the UK, we are just starting to trial cizima, but only in cases where no other medication has worked and surgery is the only other option. We take quite a while after you guys to start using meds off label etc.

I also think you should pursue Humira. We have met many kids who have had reactions to Remicade but have done great on Humira. I actually asked a researcher who said if my daughter reacted or even had antibodies to Remicade, then using a biosimilar like Inflectra was not an option, but using a different anti-TNF was not a problem at all.

I'm thinking of emailing my IBD nurse with some questions or at least writing a list so I'm prepared when they contact me with test results. I didn't get a chance to look at my bloods form to see what they were testing yesterday, so I'm not sure if he put an anti-bodies test on there, but will find out when I get the results. I am going to be doing some research over the next few days to be well prepared.

The only issue with Entyvio is that it seems to take much longer to work and Humira has a much better track record. It would be a shame to just rule it out and ALL the other anti-TNFs completely (Cimzia, Simponi). As you know, there are very few drug options for Crohn's and you have already tried 6MP, so to limit them further could be very problematic.

This is what I am concerned about, its a whole class of medications and so far entiyvio is the only new drug to come out in Britain that isn't anti-tnf for quite a while. Plus from what I've read on entyvio, it doesn't have a massive amount of success in Crohn's.

Good luck!! I hope your doctor is able to come up with a solution.

Thankyou, lets hope sooner rather than later.
 
My GI doesn't want me on any of those. Prednisone, Remicade or Humira. He told me when I first saw him in 2013 he wanted me far away from those. Those are the last option to use. And, because my former GI gave me the Pred like candy every time I had a flare maybe partly why I'm using metformin now. :cry:

There's no way I'm putting down anyone who is on these and have found it working for them. I just know, what I've been told for me. I hope everyone can find something that will help with this challenge of ours... :ghug:

I understand, if I go on steroids it is likely to be budesonide not pred which is some protection, I know my last gi was very steroid happy, maybe because they made me feel better and gave him an easy life (he wasn't the hands on type).
 
Thankyou all for taking the time to respond to me, it is nice to see there are people that share my concerns with all of this. My family are glad he doesnt want me on humira as they are concerned about the reaction risk, but don't seem to understand the impact of ruling out an entire class of medication not just right now but long term. While I understand the concerns and understand my GIs caution, it does make me wonder what they would do if entyvio did fail.

I have tried pentasa, pred, budesonide, azathiprine, 6MP and inflectra, so there's not a lot left as it is. My team were quite strongly against MTX (because I was so badly affected by 6MP), and that would be going backwards anyway. If they rule out all anti-TNF then that means its basically entyvio or constant steroids until a new drug is released. I'm not normally a person to worry, but this does concern me and I was quite upset yesterday. My mum seems to think they will find something and it will all be fine, as if there's something they haven't told me about yet, but from what I know this is it for now. It doesnt seem to have hit her that options are limited and there isn't an endless stream of possibilities awaiting me.
 
Hang in there! I really hope they will consider the other anti-TNFs for you. It's known that Remicade (and I would guess Inflectra) tends to cause the most reactions. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone reacting to Humira or Simponi the same way.

Good luck, will be thinking of you.
 
Hang in there! I really hope they will consider the other anti-TNFs for you. It's known that Remicade (and I would guess Inflectra) tends to cause the most reactions. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone reacting to Humira or Simponi the same way.

Good luck, will be thinking of you.

I agree with Maya. Sending you lots of hugs!!!!
 
I had a follow up with a dietitian today. She was happy with my weight and how Im eating and thinks I have good control over my diet. She thinks its fine for me but to have supplements and don't need to worry about forcing myself to have the ensure etc . She said if it wasnt for me having coeliac she would discharge me but everyone with coeliac disease has to be seen at least yearly under the hospitals policy so she can't.

She did have the results of my recent bloods and calprotectin and although she couldnt interpret them fully she did tell me some of my bloods are high and that my fecal calprotectin is also raised. Its not as high as it was before I had inflectra but it is still up, so that indicates that there is still inflammation active. So now its a case of waiting and seeing what happens next treatment wise.
 
I had my heart scan just over a week ago. It wasnt a pleasant experience and was actually pretty painful at times but its over with. I haven't heard anything about results yet but I know the doctors do go on holidays thus time of year and sometimes letters take a long time to get to me anyway.

I have an appointment with my ibd nurse tomorrow, I have lots of questions to ask her. I am hoping we will be able to form a concrete treatment plan that im comfortable with.

Since my last post, I have read a few more cases where people have reacted to inflectra or infliximab and then not been allowed humira because of the risk of reaction so it seems like my consultant isn't alone in his caution. I will be making sure I get all the information I need before agreeing to go straight to entyvio though. I have a good relationship with my ibd nurse and she answers all my questions honestly.

There is another reason why I really need tomorrow to work out. I have finally been given a date for my jaw surgery. It will *hopefully * be in September . I've known for a few weeks but didn't want to say too much too soon. I won't go into too much more detail yet. I haven't told many people and don't want to go into specifics until I know my ibd team are happy for it all to go ahead and there's no other specifics but just wanted to mention it as it will affect decision making.
 
That's interesting, what you say about not being allowed Humira. My last infliximab infusion, which was delayed by five weeks, caused me to have a reaction within two minutes of starting it. It was my fifth infusion and I'd had no reaction whatsoever up till then. They gave me a shot of piriton (I'd already had oral piriton) which sorted things out, and we continued the infusion with no further problems. For the following two days though I had extreme joint pain in ankles and knees, another thing which had never happened after previous infusions.
I spoke to the IBD nurse yesterday and theyve decided to go ahead with the next infusion on 5th September but add on IV piriton (the drugs proper name eludes me) and see what happens. As she said, treatment options are limited...
I don't know how long you've had this disease valleysangel, I've only had it two and a half years but it seems my options are running out pretty quickly particularly if Humira isn't one of them.
I'm really pleased you have a date for your jaw surgery, fingers crossed it can and will go ahead.
Bunty x
 
I think in my case its the severity of my reaction they are concerned about. I have heard of many people being allowed humira after reacting to infliximab and being alright but I don't know how bad their reactions were. My appointment is later today so I will hopefully find out why they are so set against me having it. I know that when I reacted, I had a very fast heart rate and they were concerned that if they hadn't responded fast and given me steroids I would of developed breathing problems, they told me that they sometimes give the steroid and then try again but with me they werent comfortable to do that. I have had Crohns disease since I was 15 but wasnt diagnosed until I was 19, and it seems mine is very persistent. I've had surgery and tried every class of med (specifically pred, budesonide, pentasa, azathioprine, 6MP and inflectra).
 
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Hey everyone,

It looks like we are going for entyvio. My ibd nurse doesn't want me on humira either. She says apart from the issue of similarity there has been a problem with the injections recently. They have changed the make up of the pens to make it "no sting" and the newer pens have been malfunctioning. They are getting reports of people using the pen and finding that the liquid is trickling out rather than going into the skin. Its also being reported that there have been problems with extra bruising etc with the newer pens. So while they are figuring out what's happening they are reluctant to start people on it if they have a history of difficulty with meds.

I am being reviewed at a MDT meeting on Friday where they will discuss me being put on entyvio. My IBD nurse seems determined I will get on it and she says there's no logical reason for them to turn me down as I still have inflammation and I have previously been on inflectra so have technically already got approval for biologic treatment. She is going to email me on Monday and let me know what is said.

They are going to try and keep me off steroids with my upcoming Op in mind. As I have been waiting since I was 17 she doesn't want to jeapordise it unless absolutely needed. If I start to really struggle however I am to email her and let her know.
 
Hello everyone. Had my follow up with the ibd nurse today. I've been given the go ahead to have entyvio but because my Op is now only 2 weeks away it wont be viable to start the infusions until after surgery. I provisionally have my first infusion booked for the 3rd October but this may have to change as I may not be well enough to get to the appointment (its only 2 and a half weeks after surgery and I would have to go by myself on a 45 min bus journey. It would also depend on me being off any antibiotics that I get put on after the Op.

In the meantime I have a new medication called alverine citrate to try and help with my abdominal spasms and my ibd nurse has taken some blood as my iron is very low so she feels that I would benefit from an infusion.
 
My jaw surgery is on Thursday. I'll be staying in over night so they can monitor me and make sure im drinking alright etc. I'll be on a liquid diet for a couple of weeks and then soft food. From what I've read it'll be about 8 weeks before im allowed to chew anything. Its quite normal to loose weight with this kind of surgery which im not crazy about having worked so hard to gain weight but its a good excuse to eat lots of chocolate when im better.

This has been such a long time coming and happened all of a sudden but I can't wait for it to be over. I don't really know what to expect when I wake up or in terms of pain etc which is a little scary but I know I have good doctors.

There's a decent chance this will escalate my Crohns flare and make it harder so I will have to be careful but having treatment lined up makes that easier. I've made sure I have a good amount of pain meds here incase they don't give me anything useful (they tend to use ibprophen etc for this kind of thing) but hopefully they will be able to supply something decent for me.

I will update when I can and let you all know how it goes.
 
Hello all. I had surgery yesterday as planned. I had the option to come home last night if I really wanted to but the nurses thought I should stay for pain management through the night so I did. Everything went to plan. My surgeon says I did very well and that my jaw is now in the "perfect " place. I'm in a fair amount of pain and have pins and needles in my lips but I'm assured that the pins and needles are a very good sign. It's 4-6 weeks of a liquid diet which will be hard going but I know in the end it will be worth it. I have a post op follow up next Wednesday to see how I'm doing and for the rest of the time I'm just going to be taking things very easy.
 
Hello all. I had surgery yesterday as planned. I had the option to come home last night if I really wanted to but the nurses thought I should stay for pain management through the night so I did. Everything went to plan. My surgeon says I did very well and that my jaw is now in the "perfect " place. I'm in a fair amount of pain and have pins and needles in my lips but I'm assured that the pins and needles are a very good sign. It's 4-6 weeks of a liquid diet which will be hard going but I know in the end it will be worth it. I have a post op follow up next Wednesday to see how I'm doing and for the rest of the time I'm just going to be taking things very easy.
I am glad things went well. I hope you have a great recovery.
 
Hey everyone. Should have started entyvio today.. Went to the hospital to have it. Got my iv in and they started running an infusion and I thought it was all fine. Until I noticed it was taking a lot longer than what I had previously been told entyvio needed, so I spun the bag round to see how much more I had left to go.. Only to find out they had given me inflectra instead of entyvio! I pointed it out to the infusion nurse and she called my IBD nurse over who confirmed that I was meant to get entyvio.

It seemed that there was some kind of break down in communication and or a problem with the paper work as the infusion nurse had no idea I was meant to be on entyvio.

Luckily I escaped a big reaction, probably because it had been so long since I last had the inflectra, but I did get a raging headache and was feeling shaky. This eased about half an hour after the infusion was stopped.

The infusion nurse has told me I can put in a formal complaint if I want to but to be honest I don't feel as though this is entirely down to her. She is not qualified to do scripts so someone else did that, and technically she just follows instructions. Yes she should have checked what med I was meant to get and asked about allergies but it seems as if there was some information missing from my notes or a form had been filled in incorrectly. The nurse will have to go through a meeting and assessment etc and has taken full responsibility for what happened and she was obviously very sorry that it had happened. But I think that other people obviously made mistakes too and should also be held accountable.

I'm really drained and have a headache and sore joints but OK considering. I have to wait two weeks to start the entyvio now.
 
Hey everyone. Should have started entyvio today.. Went to the hospital to have it. Got my iv in and they started running an infusion and I thought it was all fine. Until I noticed it was taking a lot longer than what I had previously been told entyvio needed, so I spun the bag round to see how much more I had left to go.. Only to find out they had given me inflectra instead of entyvio! I pointed it out to the infusion nurse and she called my IBD nurse over who confirmed that I was meant to get entyvio.

It seemed that there was some kind of break down in communication and or a problem with the paper work as the infusion nurse had no idea I was meant to be on entyvio.

Luckily I escaped a big reaction, probably because it had been so long since I last had the inflectra, but I did get a raging headache and was feeling shaky. This eased about half an hour after the infusion was stopped.

The infusion nurse has told me I can put in a formal complaint if I want to but to be honest I don't feel as though this is entirely down to her. She is not qualified to do scripts so someone else did that, and technically she just follows instructions. Yes she should have checked what med I was meant to get and asked about allergies but it seems as if there was some information missing from my notes or a form had been filled in incorrectly. The nurse will have to go through a meeting and assessment etc and has taken full responsibility for what happened and she was obviously very sorry that it had happened. But I think that other people obviously made mistakes too and should also be held accountable.

I'm really drained and have a headache and sore joints but OK considering. I have to wait two weeks to start the entyvio now.
Hope you feel better soon.
 
Hey guys, bit of an update for you,

I had my first proper vedo infusion on Monday and there were no issues this time, it was really quick going through, took longer being watched afterwards than actually having the infusion, eventually they wont need to watch me though I'll be able to leave as soon as I'm done once they're confident I won't have a reaction.

They took some bloods before they gave me the infusion and I had a check up with my IBD nurse today and she gave me the results, the inevitable has happened and I am now officially anaemic with a HB of 95 (they want at least 115). This isn't a massive shock as my iron level has been creeping down for months and obviously there would have been blood loss during my surgery so that would have had a knock on effect too.

I also have a low white cell count, which they were a little more concerned about as one dose of inflectra shouldn't of lowered it that much and it was done before the vedo was started.

They have done repeat bloods today and will let me know what the results are and get into contact with my consultant if needs be to sort out treatment such as an iron infusion. We have a really pedantic lab at our hospital and they have really strict rules about who gets them.

I have a follow up with her booked for 6 weeks time, but we will touch base at my infusions anyways as she is always about on Mondays which is my new infusion day.

I'm still healing well from my surgery and there are no signs of an infection or any delayed healing, and my surgeon is so happy that I don't have to see him until the 14th December.
 
Hey guys, really not doing so well the past week. I have had increasingly severe abdominal pain which reached a peak yesterday, I managed to get an emergency slot with a GP but it was a doctor I haven't seen before and they didn't really seem to understand what I needed. They did a test for a urine infection and when that came back clear they lost interest and told me to contact my IBD nurse and increase the alverine citrate. They told me I had a temperature but didn't seem bothered enough to try and find the cause. They also said if things don't settle I have to go to A&E but then contradicted themselves saying they didn't think it was that bad.

I have emailed my IBD nurse and described my symptoms, which include black stools, and they have emailed me back saying that I may have a narrowing or be backed up, and that there is a possibility that I have an infection. They are contacting my consultant incase there is the possibility of an abscess or a collection of fluid and think that the black stools could be old blood coming out and that this would explain why I'm aneamic.

The good news is that my consultant has approved an Iron infusion, which I may be able to have on monday when I get my Entyvio but this depends on the infusion nurse as she may think its safer to wait until next week incase I have a reaction to something.

I am barely eating and feel very drained and sick, I'm taking full doses of oramorph and the pain is still severe after that. I actually yelled out through the pain yesterday and really worried my partner as thats really unusual for me. Hopefully things will settle down, but if they get any worse its A&E for me.
 
I've been admitted to the hospital. I called the out of hours service and they sent me to see a doctor who sent me in to hospital. I've been put on fluids and they want to look at my pain management and I'm going to have an iron infusion in the morning.
 
Hope things improve now
Are you still on steroids ???
Just asking since entyvio does seem to induce remission but does better at maintaining it. And it tends to work slowly (up to one year to get to maintainance)

Wishing your GI can come up with a plan soon
 
We were told the same thing too - Entyvio takes a long time to work - much longer than Remicade/Humira. We were considering it for my daughter and her GI said it takes at least 6 months, if not longer.

Really hope they can get you feeling better quickly!
 
Hi everyone

MLP - I haven't been on steroids for about 6 months now. I came off them when I was on inflectra and I didn't go back on them afterward. Due to me having surgery etc they didn't want me on them due to blood risk and also they generally want to keep me off them as much as possible because I've had quite a lot of steroid use. I've not seen my gi as its just whoever is on call when you go in as an emergency in the UK and there's limited coverage on the weekends.

Cross stitch - thankyou. They were very nice to me and did look after me well.

I'm home now. They thought it would be better to let me home for a good night's rest as I didn't get any sleep last night due to having to sit in a chair all night. They have asked that I have my iron infusion tomorrow as they didn't want to do it while there are limited doctors available in case I had a reaction. I'm due entyvio tomorrow anyway.

Maya - I've been told 3-4 months as a minimum. In the UK if you aren't feeling any affect after that point they take you off it as studies show it is unlikely to work if it hasn't started to by then.
 
Hey guys, I'm still in a fair amount of pain with my stomach and suffering with nausea, but I am seeing my IBD nurse at the start of December and hopefully she will have a plan as she was going to speak to my consultant regarding next steps. I had an entyvio infusion the day after I left hospital and they had real trouble getting me cannulated and have again emailed my consultant to ask him to consider putting me on an injectable med. They are going to try and persuade him to let me try simponi, which he previously ruled out due to it being anti TNF but the situation with my veins is getting rediculous and they think it is unfair to constantly put me through multiple cannula attempts when there are other options available.

There has also been another development. I have been noticing increasingly severe and persistent joint pains over the last couple of months and finally made an appointment at a new pain clinic my doctors practice has running. The appointment was this morning and it turned out to be with a physiotherapist. The interesting part is that they don't think my previous diagnosis of fibromyalgia is correct as I don't really fit the criteria properly. In a fibro patient, most of the pain is in the muscles and connective tissue, whereas my pain is in my joints (always has been) and I also have swelling which is not a characteristic of fibromyalgia. He thinks there is some sort of inflammatory process which could be crohns related arthritis or another inflammatory condition. My main reason for going was to try and better manage my pain but he didn't feel that he was qualified to fiddle about with my medications and thought that my case as too complex for him to deal with. He has told me to see a GP and to tell them what he has told me and that it might be best for me to get sent back to rhuematology to look into things deeper and get a better handle on the pain control side of things. I spoke to the receptionist about booking this on my way out but they couldn't offer anything so I have
to call at 8am tomorrow and see if they can fit me in.

I'm still getting my head around everything he said but to be honest it makes a lot of sense to me. I only saw a rhuemy once and they basically did one scan and then sent me packing back to the GPs. Over the years there have been a few times where I've felt unsure of the fibro diagnosis as I've always been told it doesnt cause swelling and there have been subtle things that havent added up (like my joints being better when I've been on steroids). Although I didn't get the help I was looking for this morning, I'm really glad I had that appointment as it's really helped me and I now know I need to push to get more scans or at least a proper monitoring program. I'm grateful he was so honest with me about what he thought and that he admitted he didn't think it was something he could handle rather than poking around in things he didn't have a full understanding of. I just have to hope that I can get an appointment tomorrow (to pre-book one means waiting until 29th November) and that I don't have to fight to hard to get what I need.
 
Glad you are being sent back to rheumatology. It could very easily be SpA. What joints bother you the most? Pain that gets better with movement and worse with inactivity is common is SpA. Morning stiffness is also a red flag. Improvement with steroids is DEFINITELY a red flag!

Both my daughters have been on Simponi - one for AS, and one for both AS and IBD. My older did well on it, my younger did well from an IBD perspective, but her AS didn't do so well (though it did get better). The shots are very easy and painless (which is a nice plus).

I am surprised they might try Simponi before Humira -- reactions are unlikely on Humira as well as Simponi (since they are not mouse proteins like Remicade) and Simponi is not approved for Crohn's here, just UC. But it is being used off label and should work.

Good luck!
 
Hey Maya, I'm really hoping so! I have to get the gp to agree to refer me to a rhuemy but the physio I saw today clearly knew a lot more about fibro than the gp does so hopefully they will listen to him and take his word for it that it isn't that. The most painful joints are my hips and knees, but I also get pain in my hands and ankles as well. I got better on pred and I also got better on inflectra before I had the reaction.

Simponi has only recently been approved for crohns here and they are hoping that stelera will soon follow as well (it's in trial stages here) but we have to wait and see as there's a lot of red tape to get through.

Well, the nurses who work in the unit where I have my infusions wanted me to have humira months ago, but when I had the reaction to inflectra, my gi flat out said no to humira and moved me straight to entyvio. At my last infusion one of the nurses was talking to me and said it's simply not practical or fair to keep having 6+ attempts at a cannula so they have emailed my consultant to gently suggest golimumab (Simponi) as an alternative. I would be very surprised if my gi goes for this idea, but gaz, the ibd nurse that works in the unit, is very good at standing up to people so if anyone can get me switched over its him. The thing is I have scarring forming in my veins already so we really can't afford to keep messing them up. I am really not bothered by needles and although going to the hospital is time consuming i don't really mind, so it's literally a matter of the cannulas being a problem. Of course the other thing is if I was on Simponi, this would potentially help my joint pains, where as entyvio has no affect on inflammation outside the gut.
 
Very interesting to hear it has been approved for Crohn's there! I hope it will follow suit here.

I really hope you get Stelara over there soon. That is also in trials for SpA, so it would be nice to have as an option for all those who have both diseases to deal with! It is a shot (I know that's a plus) after 1 infusion as the loading dose.

My younger daughter's Crohn's did VERY well on Simponi - so will keep my fingers crossed for you.

The hip, ankle and knee pain is very common in SpA. Hands are a little less common but definitely can be involved. I hope they will get you to a rheumatologist soon. As you probably know, IBD associated arthritis can flare independently of the IBD or with the IBD. Peripheral joints (ankles, knees, hands) tend to flare when the IBD flares, whereas axial joints (spine, SI joints, hips) tend to flare independently.

Also wanted to say, it is certainly possibly to have Fibromyalgia AND a type of inflammatory arthritis but they should of course treat the arthritis first before doing anything else.

Good luck!
 
Hey all,

So I managed to go see a GP this morning. For the immediate future we are upping my gabapentin as this has helped my pain in the past so there's a good chance upping the dose will help make me more comfortable. I'm going up to 300mg three times a day but have been told that if it's not helping then it can be upped again in 4 weeks time. They also re-issued all my other medications and painkillers so I don't have to worry about running out for a while.

In terms of longer term, they feel it would be wise to see what happens with my crohns treatment (as there's a question over whether I'll stay on vedo or be switched, I think its most likely my consultant will want me to stay on vedo but I can hope). They want me to talk to my IBD team and see what they think in regard Crohns related arthritis and the possibility of a direct inflammatory response as if thats the case then they may be able to manage me without waiting for a rheumy appointment (waiting lists are 6 months at best, some people are waiting up to a year, a long time to be left in pain) as the IBD nurses and consultants can order scans etc. If they think theres something else going on then they can either order some scans themselves and then refer me on if the scans show a problem, or they can refer me straight to a rheumy. Sometimes this works out faster as if you have a scan that proves a problem you are a higher priority.

I have in the past thought that it could be fibro + another condition, but the physio I saw yesterday seemed to think that I don't match fibro at all, so I don't really know what to think now. It raised as many questions as it answered.

Overall I'm quite happy with the outcome. I have been told they may not be able to give me an exact label for whats going on but that they will manage things as much as they can and will give things closer monitoring. I'm happy that they aren't just leaving me in pain and that they are willing to engage in working out whats happening.
 
Glad things are going well
But unfortunately scans especially X-rays will not show damage until 10 years after Dx of SpA . Other scans may or may not show evdenve of inflammation in the joints even if you have crohns related arthritis that is independent of gi flares .

Hope you can get images quickly but .... fingers crossed you can get into a Rheumo faster than 6-12 months
 
Glad things are going well
But unfortunately scans especially X-rays will not show damage until 10 years after Dx of SpA . Other scans may or may not show evdenve of inflammation in the joints even if you have crohns related arthritis that is independent of gi flares .

Hope you can get images quickly but .... fingers crossed you can get into a Rheumo faster than 6-12 months
This is one of the reasons why we want to approach my IBD team, as they *should* be able to give an opinion on whether they think there is SpA or entropathic arthritis (that's what my IBD nurse has mentioned in the past) and either adjust my treatment to encompass that or *hopefully * get a faster rheumy referral. I love the NHS and would be lost without it but the system is difficult to get around at times. I think if my consultant thinks there is something Inflammatory happening then they can put it as a rapid referral but I'm not totally sure.

It's interesting that you say it takes 10 years for damage to show up. The rheumatologist I saw before basically told me that if the scan was clear there was no arthritis or Inflammatory process happening and it was fibromyalgia. So, going off everything I have been told in the last few days, it sounds like he should of at least monitored things to see how they progressed? (I did inform him I was having swelling and that my pain was in my joints. I also told him that I felt better on steroids.) He didn't even pay attention to me having crohns and wasn't really interested in my wide family history of arthritis and of autoimmune illnesses.

I'm not very familiar on how they reach a diagnosis of SpA or the other Inflammatory types of arthritis before its visible on scans?Sometimes in the UK things are diagnosed by trying a treatment and seeing what happens. So perhaps they can use my response to biological therapy and steroids as evidence towards those things?

In the UK, we are basically taught to go with whatever a doctor says, because the treatment etc is free and because we are brought up with the understanding that we have to be very grateful for what we have because other places don't have it. It took a long time for me to get the experience and courage to question things I was being told. My crohns diagnosis took five years because I kept being told there was nothing much wrong. And a lot of the tests they ran were negative (although I did find out later that one of the first scans I had as a teenager showed evidence of some inflammation, no one told me that at the time). I still have a lot of respect for my doctors, and I still love the NHS, but I am very glad I found this forum when I did because there are times where I question what's being said to me but don't know what I can do about it. Especially with a system that's so difficult to get around (for example if I want a gp appointment I first have to convince the receptionist that the nurses can't help and that it can't wait for a month). I appreciate you guys taking the time to reply and give me your thoughts on things.
 
Spondyloarthritis is the broad umbrella term
entropathic arthritis Falls under as a type of spondyloarthritis
If you have a Dx of crohns then the arthritis is entropathic arthritis
There are two types of entropathic arthritis
Type one only flares when crohns flares and is typically not damaging or long lasting
Type two flares independently of crohns flares and tends to last longer and be damaging at times .

entropathic arthritis can also progress to ankylosing spondyloarthritis (AS) in crohns patients
What to call it AS or entropathic arthritis under SPA umbrella is often debated
But the disease is the same
Have they checked you for hla b27?
Folks who are hla b27 positive are more likely to have SpA ( entropathic arthritis )
-and more likely to progress to AS

http://www.spondylitis.org/About-Spondylitis/Types-of-Spondylitis/Enteropathic-Arthritis
 
Arthritis is the most common extraintestinal manifestation of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) and can have a significant impact on morbidity and quality of life. IBD-associated arthropathy is considered a subtype of seronegative spondyloarthropathy, with axial, peripheral, or a combination of both joint manifestations. Peripheral arthritis is generally non-erosive and the oligoarticular variant particularly may correlate with intestinal disease activity. Axial arthritis may include inflammatory back pain, sacroiliitis, or ankylosing spondylitis, and is less likely to correlate with gastrointestinal symptoms. While there have been advances in identifying predisposing genetic factors and in elucidating pathophysiology of inflammatory bowel disease, the mechanisms surrounding the development of arthritis in IBD remain unclear. Treatment of inflammatory bowel disease is not always sufficient for control of arthritis. While treatment with biologic agents is promising, there remains a great need for larger, randomized studies to address optimal therapy of IBD associated arthropathy.


From
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3261248/?report=classic
 
Thanks MLP

My joints seem to flare up whenever they feel like it, sometimes when the crohns is calm, sometimes adjacent to crohns flares. Usually worst when the temperature is changing or when I've pushed myself too far.

I've had blood tests which they said were for AS, but I'm not sure what tests they actually did as it was about 3 or more years ago so I can't really remember very clearly. I think they were general inflammation tests rather than a specific genetic test. It should all still be on the computer records though so I should be able to find out pretty easily as long as it wasn't wiped when they updated the system last year.
 
Ds was monitorered by a rheumatologist for a year with frequent appt
Then was Dx with JSpA
The rheumomwas able to "feel" the inflammation in DS fingers .
Ds officially has JIA type II polyarticuluar arthritis associated with inflammatory bowel disease since his flares independent of his gi flares .

It is also known as juvenile spondyloarthritis associated with inflammatory bowel disease

For ds his JSpA has been much harder to control than his crohns which is why he is on humira every 5 days
 
It's interesting that you say it takes 10 years for damage to show up. The rheumatologist I saw before basically told me that if the scan was clear there was no arthritis or Inflammatory process happening and it was fibromyalgia. So, going off everything I have been told in the last few days, it sounds like he should of at least monitored things to see how they progressed?

So, it is true that it can take up to 8-10 years for x-ray damage to show up for SpA. When there is damage visible on x-ray, it is called AS. AS is different from axial SpA or peripheral SpA or enteropathic arthritis. They are all in the same family, but they are all a little bit different.

Inflammation should be visible on an MRI if it is Spondyloarthritis -- inflammation shows up immediately and does not take time to show the way damage does. If it's a peripheral joint, like a knee, then even an ultrasound should be able to show inflammation (though obviously an MRI is more accurate).

I think I remember you having a nuclear bone scan? Those are not used anymore for diagnosing SpA. They are not very accurate. An x-ray or an MRI is really the gold standard, with of course, a clinical examination.

The rheumatologist is usually able to tell from examining the joint whether there is inflammation. An inflamed joint is often red, warm or swollen. However, in SpA, joints don't just get inflamed, tendons do too. Enthesitis is inflammation where tendons and ligaments insert into the bone. Sometimes you can see swelling, other times, not so much. Right above the knee is a common enthesitis site. The heels are also common enthesitis sites.

The blood test for AS is usually HLA B27 - a gene. If you have it, you are more likely to have SpA or AS. But even if you are negative for it, you can still have some sort of SpA (just much less likely that it is AS).

You also may have elevated ESR and CRP, but 40% of people with SpA don't, so you might not.

For an AS diagnosis, you need damage to the SI joints on x-rays. For SpA, you just need evidence of inflammation - enthesitis or arthritis or both.

Here are the criteria for SpA:
New ASAS Classification Criteria
There are two sets, or arms, of the ASAS criteria: the imaging arm and the clinical arm.5 Each set is applied to patients with chronic (more than three months) back pain, the onset of which occurs at less than 45 years of age.

The imaging arm requires only one clinical parameter plus sacroiliitis (X-rays or MRI):

The sacroiliitis should show definite radiographic disease at grade 2 bilateral or grade 3 to 4 unilateral (according to modified NY criteria 1984); or

There should be active (acute) inflammation of sacroiliac joints on MRI, highly suggestive of sacroilliitis associated with SpA.

The clinical arm requires a positive HLA-B27 test plus two other clinical parameters, such as:

IBP;
Arthritis;
Enthesitis;
Uveitis;
Psoriasis;
Crohn’s disease/ulcerative colitis;
Good response to NSAIDs;
Family history of SpA;
Elevated C-reactive protein; and
Presence of HLA-B27.

It does place emphasis on SI joints but you can have what's called "peripheral SpA" without having SI joint involvement.

It's all a bit confusing, but a rheumatologist should be able to tell by examining you and hopefully doing an MRI or ultrasound whether your joints are actually inflamed or whether they just hurt.

If they are just painful, that's called arthralgia and that is part of Crohn's. It does not need to be treated independently of the Crohn's - it should get better when the Crohn's gets better.

Your IBD team should be able to order an MRI but really you should be seeing a rheumatologist. I know that is difficult though, so maybe they should just focus on treating it for now. I would ask to be referred to a rheumatologist at some point - if you do have inflammatory arthritis, you need to be monitored. There is the possibility of joint damage and you need to make sure you are being treated aggressively enough -- and only a rheumatologist can determine the state of your joints.
 

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